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Post  misery guts Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:13 am

Electropop from Manchester (England), first as the short-lived Joy Division, and then for rather longer as the mighty New Order. They successfully brought emotional qualities to the machine music, to the delight of many around the world. Their current status is uncertain, given the ongoing problems with founder member Peter Hook, but the music can still speak for itself:

Love Will Tear Us Apart (Joy Division)

Blue Monday (12 inch mix) (New Order)

True Faith (New Order)

Regret (live from the set of Baywatch) (New Order)

Jetstream (New Order ft Ana Matronic)

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Post  Adric Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:26 pm

Smile I cannot imagine the music era without New Order / Joy Division!

NEW ORDER'S STEPHEN MORRIS RATES THE BAND'S PIONEERING CATALOG Music videos, interview & tons of fun facts in link

Following the tragic death of Ian Curtis, the remaining members of Joy Division picked up the pieces and formed New Order, a band that expanded upon their post-punk leanings and ventured into the then somewhat uncharted realms of synthesized music. What resulted was some of the most influential records of all time, and smash hits like "Bizarre Love Triangle," "True Faith," "Blue Monday," and many others.

As the long-running band celebrates it's 35th year in existence with a new LP in Music Complete (due on September 25 via Mute), we sat down with founding member and drummer Stephen Morris to discuss the band's output, the tumult that followed the death of Curtis, and what it's like to be a drummer in a band that leaned so heavily on drum machines. The results, as well as New Order's most recent video for "Restless" are below.

9. REPUBLIC (1993)
8. WAITING FOR A SIREN'S CALL (2005)
7. GET READY (2001)
6. MOVEMENT (1981)
5. BROTHERHOOD (1986)
4. TECHNIQUE (1989)
3. SUBSTANCE (1987)
2. POWER, CORRUPTION, & LIES (1983)
1. LOW-LIFE (1985)
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Post  misery guts Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:06 am

Had no idea they were so close to releasing new material Embarassed What an odd list.

New Order: A Collection
Video compilation from their earlier efforts, through to Jetstream. It's fun to spot how the band clearly liked to be in the videos as little as possible as time went on. Some of their most memorable are also their most visually challenging (Blue Monday, True Faith), but some of their lesser known are also well worth a look (Touched By The Hand of God, in which the band parody a hair metal band, is funny for being so unexpected). I suspect the band only appear in Jetstream because it features Ana Matronic (from Scissor Sisters), and it would have been daft for her to be in it but not them.

New Order: Live in Finsbury Park
Gillian's at home by this stage, but Barney, Peter and Stephen are still up for it. Barney's offbeat touch results in strange chatter with the crowd, but the music's still great and that's the point.
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Post  misery guts Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:56 am

Neworderstory
From 1993, and therefore featuring contributions from the band, Tony Wilson, Rob Gretton, Keith Allen, Quincy Jones (!), Arthur Baker, Neil Tennant and more, this was a jocular whizz through how Joy Division survived the tragedy of Ian Curtis' suicide, to forge a new sound which has proved to be a big success to so many. Hindsight is instructive here, though it's nice to see all the band in such talkative form.

Forgot to mention the surprise comedy of New Order having to write new words for 'Blue Monday' to promote Sunkist lol!

Joy Division
This 2007 epic included much from Tony Wilson, the surviving members of the band, and other figures from artist Peter Savile to contemporary Pete Shelley. Despite only 2 albums, Ian Curtis' death ensures the story will continue to be re-told.
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Post  misery guts Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:01 am

Discovering: New Order
Manc legends given some due for once, since they have lasted about 30 years longer than Joy Division did. The 80s were their heyday, but it fell part in the mid-90s, and now Peter Hook is a disgruntled ex-member. But at their best, they were really excellent.
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Post  misery guts Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:00 am

Well, the good reviews for their recent comeback album have probably led to this:

Peter Hook to sue New Order bandmates for 'millions of pounds' over royalties
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Post  misery guts Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:44 am

New Order are among the many acts confirmed in the line-up for this summer's Glastonbury festival, as well as Foals, ZZ Top and Ellie Goulding:

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Post  misery guts Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:54 am

New Order @ Glastonbury 2016
From Saturday on the Other Stage, quite a lengthy set, well over an hour. Barney had some interesting crowd interaction going, encouraging them to dance at times. They encored on Love Will Tear Us Apart. Doesn't seem like they miss Peter Hook at all.
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Post  misery guts Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:30 am

New Order are still buzzing away, with a big new gig announced for the Manchester International Festival:

In a Unique Installation
Seminal Manchester band New Order will be centre stage at this summer's Manchester International Festival.
The group will play five gigs inside a "unique installation" created by artist Liam Gillick, accompanied by a 12-piece synthesiser ensemble.
There will also be an exhibition of art inspired by the band and their original incarnation, Joy Division.
The full line-up for the 18-day biennial festival has just been announced. It begins on 29 June.
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Post  misery guts Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:12 am

ArtsNight: Manchester International Festival - Everyone Welcome
Poet Lemn Sissay presented a half-hour promoting the festival which has assumed a new significance in the light of recent events. He looked at 5 different shows, including the New Order one, So It Goes... with Liam Gillick. Bernard Sumner and Gillick were both interviewed, but seemingly not by Sissay, and this was much the shortest section of the show. Sumner seemed to feel that the reinterpretation of their songs with wider orchestration was a novelty, but it seems to becoming a wider idea (Metallica did it once).
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Post  misery guts Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:50 am

Substance: Inside New Order, by Peter Hook
A brick-sized epic from the bassist, covering 37 years in & out of the band, the highs and lows of recording, touring, drug-taking, marriage and sobriety. He also handily lists gigs and other diary events, and reflects on those whom he met and who influenced this story and have died (such as Tony Wilson, Rob Gretton and Caroline Aherne). His views on the decline of the band seem all too plausible, and he seems more fulfilled with his own projects now, including the Hacienda legacy.
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Post  misery guts Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:24 am

New Order - Decades
Following their triumphant So It Goes... work with Liam Gillick at the 2017 Manchester International Festival, this prog saw them reconvening for shows in Vienna and Turin. They also marked the 40th anniversary of their first telly appearance as Joy Division on September 20th, 1978. There was also chatter from band members and various relevant types like Dave Haslam and Peter Saville. Some of the Synth Orchestra, 12 volunteers backing up the main band, were flattered to be part of things. Not much performance material, but still entertaining.

New Order - Live in Glasgow
Whereas the above showed them almost up to date, this live spot from 12 years ago saw them at a stage when Gillian was out, and Peter Hook was nearing the exit. He, Bernard and Stephen spoke separately about playing live, being in the studio, setlists, gigs, fans and the future. They were pushing their then-recent Waiting for the Siren's Call album a lot, and encored with some Joy Division stuff. Also entertaining.
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Post  misery guts Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:10 am

Peter Hook continues to be unhappy, and is auctioning off memorabilia and stuff from his time in both bands:

http://www.omegaauctions.co.uk/news-media/news/the-peter-hook-signature-collection/ 
"I’ve always thought the collection of memorabilia must be a bass player thing. Its always the bass player that drives the van, and it seems to be always the bass player who collects all the artefacts. To me its a great way of charting what we achieved.”
"The thing with all of the items going in, I’ve had them around now for far too long now and with the interest that people continue to show in the band and Factory, I think it’s time that I shared my archives with the fans.
The music and the cultural ethos that underpins both Factory and Joy Division seems to be even more relevant today. I hope that the fans will appreciate seeing the exhibits and enjoy the archive."
The actual auction isn't until March.
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Post  misery guts Mon May 13, 2019 7:00 am

Chapter and Verse, by Bernard Sumner
The frontman of New Order gives his side of the story, from the slow development of the band that became Joy Division, and how things then panned out as New Order, and why he was mystified at Peter Hook for driving himself out of the band. Sumner has a winning way of telling his story, and he was clearly a different character to the others in the band. He includes an interesting final section where he regressed Ian Curtis back to several previous lives.
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Post  misery guts Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:40 am

As timing would have it, Stephen Morris has recently released his autobiography: Record Play Pause.
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Post  misery guts Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:46 am

New Order - Education Entertainment Recreation
Their only UK show in 2018, at Alexandra Palace. They did quite a wide set, and saved the Joy Division stuff for an encore, which seems fair enough. Another instance of a showing of a gig which is now imminently available to buy on DVD or whatever format is appropriate now.
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Post  misery guts Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:07 am

misery guts wrote:As timing would have it, Stephen Morris has recently released his autobiography: Record Play Pause.
Record Play Pause, by Stephen Morris
Well, it runs up to just after the start of New Order, and a 2nd volume, Fast Forward, is available. This tome has quite a warm, if acerbic, tone to it. Morris had his troubles, but always felt music was his direction. He gives a clear picture of his hometown, Macclesfield. It is easy to think of JD just in terms of Ian Curtis' untimely death, but others in the story have also "left the party too soon" as well. I certainly anticipate enjoying the chance to read his follow-up, on the strength of this.
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Post  misery guts Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:19 am

A minor hubbub in Manchester as a famous mural of Ian Curtis was replaced by artwork to promote the recent new album from Aitch. The rapper has understandably offered to make good and get things put right as soon as.
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Post  misery guts Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:57 am

Joy Division: Under Review
This 2006 effort had John Robb which was a good start, as well as serial biographer Mick Middles, Lindsay Reade (aka Mrs Tony Wilson), and some perhaps rare archive audio of Ian Curtis himself. As well as the two albums, there was also consideration for three sampler records to which the band contributed songs.
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Post  misery guts Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:33 am

misery guts wrote:
misery guts wrote:As timing would have it, Stephen Morris has recently released his autobiography: Record Play Pause.
Record Play Pause, by Stephen Morris
Well, it runs up to just after the start of New Order, and a 2nd volume, Fast Forward, is available. This tome has quite a warm, if acerbic, tone to it. Morris had his troubles, but always felt music was his direction. He gives a clear picture of his hometown, Macclesfield. It is easy to think of JD just in terms of Ian Curtis' untimely death, but others in the story have also "left the party too soon" as well. I certainly anticipate enjoying the chance to read his follow-up, on the strength of this.
Fast Forward, by Stephen Morris
Volume 2 covers most of New Order's story, from 1980 up to 2007 and the Control movie. Besides a dislike of heights, he discusses the rise and fall of the Hacienda, the struggles and hiatuses of making albums, life with Gillian and a home and studio in the country, the changes of the industry, and eventually the exit of "Hooky" from the band. I doubt there'll be a Volume 3, except for completists.
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Post  misery guts Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:22 am

Isle of Wight '23: Peter Hook and the Light
He spoke to presenter Edith Bowman beforehand, and basically teed up that this new act has been described as a "Joy Division tribute act". So it partly proves, with a mixture of JD and New Order material. Peter wasn't the singer previously, but he gives it a good go, reminiscent of Johnny Marr singing Smiths numbers. Peter dedicated the set to the late Andy Rourke. I suspect if his voice holds up, he'll be good for a while yet.
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Post  misery guts Fri Mar 15, 2024 8:04 am

Record On: Power, Corruption & Lies
A new series somewhat similar to others. The 4 members of New Order talked about how they came to make this, their 2nd album, whilst designer Peter Saville made time to re-tell the saga of the Blue Monday cover, and more impressively, producer Arthur Baker was still alive enough to talk about working with them, and how he wasn't responsible for Blue Monday, even if people often think he was. There were brief clips from Tony Wilson, Rob Gretton and Martin Hannett too.
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