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Post  Adric on Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:56 am

Taylor Swift Dethrones Herself on Soon to Change Billboard Charts

These days it seems like Taylor Swift makes some sort of chart history every week. Last night, it was announced that for the third week in a row, Taylor Swift would be number one on both Billboard's albums and singles charts. This time it's with a new song, as "Blank Space" jumps up 12 spots to number one, replacing "Shake It Off" after four non-consecutive weeks on top. The song's jump is largely due to the premiere of its much-discussed video, which lands it on top the streaming chart, and download sales, where the song climbs 2-1 this week. With the change in chart-toppers, Taylor becomes the first solo female in Hot 100 history (and only the tenth artist of any kind) to replace herself ontop the Hot 100.

On the albums side, it's still 1989 that's getting it done for Taylor, moving over 300k in its third week, hurtling itself past the two million mark in overall sales. (Reminder: No other 2014 album has even sold one million yet.) It's Taylor's third week on top the Billboard 200, but things are about to get tricky for her and everyone else, as the magazine just announced an overhaul in chart-tabulating formula that will represent the biggest change in methodology for the service since the introduction of SoundScan technology over 20 years ago.

Currently, the Billboard 200 is measured strictly on album sales alone. Starting next month, chart placement will be determined by album sales and streaming numbers (as measured by services like Beats Music, Google Play and the now Taylor-absent Spotify), and even song sales. Ten digital track sales will now be equivalent to an album sale, the makeover reveals, as will 1,500 album streams. "The new methodology for the Billboard 200 is a welcome and necessary evolution of Nielsen and Billboard's album chart data," says Sony exec Darren Stupak. "The ways in which fans consume music, and the ways in which music is monetized, have grown beyond the traditional metrics of album sales."

Hard to tell exactly how much these changes will affect Taylor and her ilk, but it's true that when a list of 2014 album chart-toppers includes Barbra Streisand, Tom Petty and "Weird Al" Yankovic, it might be time for a little bit of contemporizing. We'll have much to discuss on this front next month, no doubt.
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Post  misery guts on Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:28 am

Adric wrote:On the albums side, it's still 1989 that's getting it done for Taylor, moving over 300k in its third week, hurtling itself past the two million mark in overall sales. (Reminder: No other 2014 album has even sold one million yet.)
Credit where it's due, to be fair. Someone likes her.
Currently, the Billboard 200 is measured strictly on album sales alone. Starting next month, chart placement will be determined by album sales and streaming numbers (as measured by services like Beats Music, Google Play and the now Taylor-absent Spotify), and even song sales. Ten digital track sales will now be equivalent to an album sale, the makeover reveals, as will 1,500 album streams. "The new methodology for the Billboard 200 is a welcome and necessary evolution of Nielsen and Billboard's album chart data," says Sony exec Darren Stupak. "The ways in which fans consume music, and the ways in which music is monetized, have grown beyond the traditional metrics of album sales."
Oh dear, goodbye baby, goodbye bathwater.
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Post  Adric on Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:46 pm

Hah, yeah ... I welcome any changes that Billboard will make to be more "accurate" and could care less about Taylor in any form. I just hope the "changes" Billboard makes will reflect on a better era of music in the longrun. Praying that songs will enter and drop out at a faster rate allowing room for more debuts and such. I only keep up with today's industry out of habit, so any change peaks my interest in this depressing era.
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Post  misery guts on Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:03 pm

I keep making the same moans about the efficacy of the download counting methods in the UK, and the nonsense that a 20 year old song now has the same strength as a 20 day old one Mad
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Post  Adric on Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:52 am

misery guts wrote:I keep making the same moans about the efficacy of the download counting methods in the UK, and the nonsense that a 20 year old song now has the same strength as a 20 day old one Mad

Well, in all fairness, 20 years ago the charts were full of awesome tunes and we still had awesome artists. Today, we have bubble gum pudding brains swinging on wrecking balls doing kiddy porn as legally as possible. I'll play Toni Basil a million times if it'd help knock any Eminem lunacy out lol. Interesting article I came across that I felt worth a read. You know, it's a shame that everything has to be based on money. True talent is still around. Sadly, in today's world the average under 18 genre wouldn't know true talent unless is had a hashtag in front. Mad I remember when I was 13 and a friend brought a VHS tape over with some porn on it. He felt so proud to have it haha. He popped it in and this cheesy music started ... a cross between techno and Richard Simmons work-out music. My reply was, "Music of the future!" silent

Tom DeLonge compares streaming music to killing elephants

The Blink 182 frontman makes a dramatic, dubious statement regarding the value of his work


Blink 182 frontman Tom DeLonge has likened streaming music to killing endangered animals.



The pop-punk band headlined Reading and Leeds this summer.

“I tell people condoning streaming is like condoning the Chinese that are killing elephants for their tusks and carving ivory statues,” he told Faster Louder.

“It’s cool to put on your shelf but if you really think about what you’re doing it sucks. Streaming music is doing the same thing to artists – might not be killing them but it’s killing the industry.”

The musician releases his new album with Angels & Airwaves, The Dream Walker, on December 8.

He asserted that the consequences of streaming should be better considered.

“It might be cool for you as somebody that likes music but you’re not really thinking about the effect it has,” he said. We’ve got to value our art, you know?”


Taylor Swift also recently spoke against music streaming, withdrawing her work from Spotify amid widespread criticism from fans.

Although she argued she does “want to be part of progress”, the singer does not believe music should be free.

“I felt like I was saying to my fans, 'If you create music someday, if you create a painting someday, someone can just walk into a museum, take it off the wall, rip off a corner off it and it's theirs now and they don't have to pay for it,” she said.

“I didn't like the perception that it was putting forth and so I decided to change the way I was doing things.”
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Post  misery guts on Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:33 am

Taylor was today announced as the first guest at Radio 1's big free event to be held in May in Norwich.
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Post  misery guts on Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:12 am

Looks like more changes are on the way:
The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) announced today (February 26) that all albums and singles will be released at 12.01am on Fridays around the world from later this year.
The majority of new releases come out on Mondays in the UK, with the chart finalised at midnight on Saturday night/Sunday morning.

The changes would mean that a Thursday chart announcement would fairly reflect the week's best-sellers.
Albums released globally on Fridays

Rolling EyesEvil or Very MadNeutral
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Post  misery guts on Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:40 pm

The word is out now:

Official Chart Show moving from Sundays to Friday afternoons after 50 years

The shift comes with the move by the global music industry to introduce a new synchronised release date of Fridays. Sales and streams across seven days from 00.01 on Friday thorough to midnight on Thursday evening will be included in the UK chart.
Speaking as a confirmed stick-in-the-mud, I'm disappointed at one more nail in the coffin of the business I love Surprised
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Post  Adric on Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:58 pm

Seems to me that the nails in the coffin are already sealed. The only hope is to open that coffin back up and let the real talent in. It's not even so much about this latest "change" as much as it is the lack of artists we have today. Don McLean must have dipped into this era to have written "American Pie" lol. Having charted every Top 40 since 1955, I'd say the music industry went corrupt in the early to mid 90's and never came back from that. I can only hope that this sees a swathe of new artists that solely get discovered on youtube. There are some brilliant acts out there just waiting for KanYe West to become yesterday's flava.
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Post  misery guts on Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:32 pm

Ed Sheeran's Thinking Out Loud sets chart record
Ed Sheeran has set a new chart record as his single Thinking Out Loud has become the first ever to spend a full year inside the UK Top 40.

Other songs that have come close to Sheeran's record in recent years include John Legend's All Of Me that managed spent 44 consecutive weeks and Pharrell Williams' Happy that lasted 49 consecutive weeks in the Top 40.
Not good, really Rolling Eyes

Of course, with the changes to Friday charts, just 3 weeks away now, nonsense records like this may become the norm, rather than the exception.

It's amazing that a story like this is being lauded as a triumph, rather than a signpost that something needs to be done about the system. But as long as it serves the record companies and radio stations, change is not a-gonna come Neutral
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Post  misery guts on Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:31 am

It's here now. Yesterday was the last ever (for now) Sunday chart, and the new one will be published on Friday afternoon Shocked Seems as though there are less releases today, whereas normal service will resume from Friday.
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Post  Adric on Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:08 am

misery guts wrote:It's here now. Yesterday was the last ever (for now) Sunday chart, and the new one will be published on Friday afternoon Shocked Seems as though there are less releases today, whereas normal service will resume from Friday.

The music industry is such a dying breed and I actually find it difficult to chart the way Billboard is going. Had today's charts been out when I was a kid, this passion I have would have never existed. I've noticed how much fewer the songs are released now ... a lot due to staying power. I loathe this format of charting. How do you get new releases as much when a song's staying power can last well over a year?!? 20 years ago, the charts felt much more accurate. If a song spent 20 weeks in the Top 40, that was "Wizard" as Donna Noble would say Smile
It's no wonder artists from the 80's downwards that are still with us are also disgusted by today's charting method. Example, The Beatles (US chart) spent 7 weeks at #1, yet only 14 in the Top 40 itself. Music was fast paced, debuts plentiful, always room for new acts. I don't know where they get these freaks of today. Now days, a song spends 14 weeks at #1, a year.5 in the countdown and a year later, no one remembers it! Music stopped being fun and sadly is no longer a part of many a youth today. Still, the dying music industry is trying everything possible to squeeze every last coin they can from today's so called talent.
Another thing that is contributing to the demise of music is all of these freaking "talent" tv shows. Sure, we gained some major players, yet most debut very high, drop out in a week and it's finished. We always had movie hits and novelties to debut, but not in this form! Good movie music ... flashdance, footloose, grease. BAD examples, Glee Cast, Hantana Montana, High School Musical . ... rubbish and surely shouldn't even be in the charts. It's not the shortage of music that is the problem. It's the powers who do the charting. When I look at the UK charts and see so many names (Ultravox, Take That, Boyzone) ... names that NEVER made it here, barring Take That as a 1-hit wonder! Why do we get country / rap and reality tv hits when we should be having another UK invasion! Just my thoughts. Peace~
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Post  misery guts on Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:08 am

The difficulty in judging today's new chart is that because of less days, it will be skewed. Next week should show some changes, though.

The tradition has been that the mid-weeks (pushed on the news on Wednesdays) give an idea of what will be #1, but the weekend sales might change things. Now, the weekends will come first, so there should be less alterations.

So though last week's sluggish top 10 appears to have been somewhat flushed cleaner, next week might show a steadying of the ship.
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Post  misery guts on Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:10 am

Well well well!

Charts to be adjusted after all
The Official Chart Company is changing the way it calculates the Top 40 to reflect the rise in streaming.
Currently, 100 streams count as one "sale" of a song. From January, the ratio will become 150:1.
It is hoped that the change could break the bottleneck at the top of the charts, as hits on streaming services linger for weeks on end.
Only 11 songs have reached number one this year, compared to 26 in 2015 and 42 in 2014.
The slowdown was prompted by the inclusion of streaming data into the charts in July 2014.
Up to that point, the Top 40 measured how many times a record had been bought. Now it measures consumption - and the trend on streaming sites is for people to listen to their favourite songs over and over, rather than seeking out new music.
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Post  Adric on Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:20 am

misery guts wrote:Well well well!

Charts to be adjusted after all
The Official Chart Company is changing the way it calculates the Top 40 to reflect the rise in streaming.
Currently, 100 streams count as one "sale" of a song. From January, the ratio will become 150:1.
It is hoped that the change could break the bottleneck at the top of the charts, as hits on streaming services linger for weeks on end.
Only 11 songs have reached number one this year, compared to 26 in 2015 and 42 in 2014.
The slowdown was prompted by the inclusion of streaming data into the charts in July 2014.
Up to that point, the Top 40 measured how many times a record had been bought. Now it measures consumption - and the trend on streaming sites is for people to listen to their favourite songs over and over, rather than seeking out new music.
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Wonderful news! Very Happy
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Post  misery guts on Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:18 am

Time will tell. It's good that something has made them realise there's a problem. I suspect if today's announcement of the Christmas #1 single is in the same vein of recent charts, then it might get some attention too (Clean Bandit were supposedly leading the race earlier in the week, with Rag n Bone Man next along, which would make a total mockery of all the news coverage about who would get the spot).
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Post  misery guts on Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:07 am

Well, obviously the fix didn't fix anything:

Ed Sheeran's dominance of the Top 20 is a only a symptom of how sick the charts are
I asked OCC chief executive Martin Talbot if Sheeran’s chart domination would induce another shift. “We will review chart methodologies (as we continually do) to see if there is something we could or should change,” he says. “But we shouldn’t (and won’t) rush to any kneejerk actions. The highest number of streams for any album before was Stormzy last week, which achieved 21,000 album streams, then a record for a No 1 album. As a result, Stormzy’s album ended up with one track in the Top 20 and seven tracks in the Top 40. In contrast, ÷ has generated 79,000 album streams. It is an absolute outlier. And you shouldn’t change rules for extreme cases.”
How hard is it to grasp? It's a Singles Chart, not a Tracks Chart! If an artist having 14 of the Top 15 isn't a sign of a broken system, then what is?!

It won't be quite as bad as this in the new US chart, but I would expect something to happen.
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Post  misery guts on Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:18 am

A mere 3 months later, and it's ACTION!

Official Charts Company shakes up rules to stop the Ed Sheeran effect

LOL at "the Ed Sheeran effect" as if it was his fault somehow!
Starting from July, artists will be allowed only three of their most popular tracks in the top 100, to prevent music’s heavyweight acts dominating the majority of the charts.
According to the Official Charts Company, the changes are designed to “ensure the chart continues to be a showcase for the new hits and talent which are the lifeblood of UK music”. The aim is to support new talent progressing up the chart, without potential hits being inhibited by older tracks or album tracks by big-name artists. The rule adjustments are expected to boost the number of new chart tracks by about 10%.
Quite how this will count with "x featuring y, z + etc" remains to be seen.
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Post  misery guts on Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:04 am

The first chart under the new system landed yesterday, and predictably Ed Sheeran was headlined as the main victim of it. It's notable that the lower reaches of the top 40 seem a bit fresher than they have for a while, but whether that makes a blind bit of difference is something that will take time to become clear.
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Post  Adric on Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:49 am

All a step in the right direction, I suppose. Yes, the (featured) acts should be interesting. In the states, I don't see anything happening until the likes of Drake or Rihanna dominate half of the Top 40.
What's even worse than this aspect of charting methodology is the sheer time songs spend in the countdown now days. It literally memes the album charts. Back in the day one would have expected Pink Floyd or Michael Jackson to spend a year+ on an "album" chart, but not singles, ever. Currently, The Chainsuckers have the record here for spending a massive 63 weeks consecutively in the Top 10 ... ugh ugh ugh.
I often see people in Billboard's comment sections glorifying the likes of some goon like Justin Bieber. So sad for this generation. We went from Elvis to Beatles to Michael Jackson to Whitney Houston to Mariah and now we have freaking Justin Bieber lol. Sad all around. I'd like to see some more one-hit wonders do their thing. Some of the best music in existence comes from one-hit wonders.
It also drives me crazy that we have (on average) 39 rap songs and that one-off country song. It's all so fake. Is this what they call variety? Sorry, but I've not listened to 'Body Like A Back Road' just for the sheer bad title alone lol.
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Post  misery guts on Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:38 am

Given the last big change was only supposed to be 6 months ago, it seems to be like the proverbial three-point-turn in a super-tanker.

I've long said your chart was too sluggish to be true, so it alarms me that the people who run mine seem to look at yours and go "neat work, let's do that here" Mad Shocked

It's true that these issues seem more problematic when one has no faith in the act scoring it. There was a recent report where Ed Sheeran's Thinking Out Loud spent 55 consecutive weeks in the top 40, but that did become a #1 record and Ed's an alright guy. But I can't dispute your Chainsmokers ire, as with Calvin Harris or DJ Khaled, it begins to seem like a racket.
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